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Incorporating Hassles


I’ve done some of my homework regarding the incorporating process of the business. Every now and then people kept telling me that you don’t need to incorporate before your business is big enough. While the word ‘big’ here is of course a relativity for everyone, they all based their arguments on one substance. Incorporating is such a hassle and complex method. So unless you have the energy, time, and money to do that, you’re better off not doing it.

After going through severaly notary to ask the contract, deeds, and incorporation method that I can choose, I now can see why they told me what the told me. Incorporating is full of hassles. To legalize your business in Indonesia you have to have a deeds made by a notary (akta notaris), NPWP (like an SSN in the US), TDP, Surat Izin Tempat Usaha, etc.

The most frustrating part on incorporating that you have to regularly report your company’s cashflow to the tax office, monthly, even if you don’t have anything to report yet (no profit, or the company doesn’t have an operational base whatsoever). To add to that, I also have to report my personal tax filling which is an arduous task to begin with.

I know I studied management and eventually corporate finance, but that’s the extent of my knowledge. I may know how to manage the cashflow of the company to stay profitable, I may know how to do the book filling to keep the company accountable and stuffs, but those are it. Taxing is a whole lot different dimension. That’s why they have a course on tax filling (Brevet A and Brevet B — I surely don’t know what those means).

So unless I fill the tax report by myself, I have to pay a professional to do it for me. Both of the option is not feasible because first, I don’t know a heck about tax filling, and second, the company isn’t big enough to pay a tax auditor (or tax filler, or whatever they called the job). My friend suggested me to just pay some guy that works in the tax office (please note the italics).

This is of course not an ethical decision to make because the money won’t go to the government’s pocket and therefore cannot be used for social development (in which we dangerously need). Plus, it can be categorized as bribery and that’s not good for my track record.

So now I have two options. Start learning how to fill the taxes or not incorporate at all. For the second option, that means I have to change the business model (including the profit center) alltogether.

Please tell me what you guys think about this (or if possible, another option).

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gee…
i don’t really know what incorporating is…that word’s kinda new to me.
can’t you just get someone you know to do the thing for you? some relatives maybe? that already familiar with that kind of thing. just ask around people around you.
if it’s really possible just don’t do the PAY thingie.
it’s gonna be easier but…you have your reasons and i agree with it. unless, that is, if the person volunteerily help you without having to be paid.

@Seven: Incorporating is actually legalizing your business. In Bahasa Indonesia, it’s membuat perusahaan (wether it’s a CV or a PT). I have some relatives who happened to be a notary but still, the obligations I have to do remains the same. And no one wanted to break a sweat without a proper reimbursement don’t you think?

well. i try to be honest with my business also.
but sometime, things like that cant be frustating.
so yes, we pay a guy in tax office to help us filling those bloody forms (note, im not using any italics here).

we can’t afford tax consultant (yet).. this is the truth :)

i’ve worked for a “tax project” (pph 21-25) late this year, so basically i know where the money flows into in state magistration. that’s why we want to help indonesia by being such humble tax-obidient citizen.

this is my 3.74 cents (due to inflation).

In Bahasa Indonesia :…:)

Zie, coba minta tolong sama mahasiswa Akuntansi. Mereka ada kuliah tentang pengisian formulir perpajakan. kasih aja fee sesuai dengan standar mahasiswa, kalo mereka minta fee.

Yang saya tahu, pengisian pajak setiap tahunnya berganti sesuai dengan isian formulir yang dikeluarkan oleh Depkeu.
Trus, kalo ingin belajar cara ngisi form pajak, ada kok kursus singkat (dengan biaya relatif murah dan waktu yang singkat) cara dan prosedur pengisian formulir pajak. Di daerah saya ada kok yang secara rutin per triwulanan ngadain kursus pajak.

oiya, dengan punya NPWP, seseorang/badan hukum bisa ikut proyek pemerintah. Artinya, kalo perusahaan-nya sudah kredibel, nantinya pemerintah akan menawarkan proyek/kegiatan yang difasilitasi oleh pemerintah.
Kenapa saya bisa nulis ini? karena saya pernah ikutan proyek pemerintah, dengan “payung” perusahaan rekan yang sudah punya NPWP.

@Andry: And that’s why it’s frustrating. The company can’t afford to pay someone to do its tax filling at the current time and condition. This means I have to fill it my self which I have no experience or knowledge to do that. This also means that I have to take a course on tax filling…

@Difa: Nyambung sama komentar ku ke andry, I do have to take a tax course, I think it’ll cost me around 1.6 million on IAI. I can do that of course, but the workload that I have to do… that what makes it frustrating. The college, my personal life, corporate finance, marketing, and now tax filling…

hmph…
so that’s why those guys at stan can rake so many chips eh!?
pantesan aja jurusan perpajakan ada sendiri dan peminatnya ternyata banyak juga.
kuliah cepat, workfieldnya spesifik bgt…jadinya terjamin.
aw crap…iya tuh, minta aja orang kuliah akuntansi ato perpajakan untuk ngisi.
persuade them…tempt them…seduce them…

around 1.6 million on IAI

..WTF..it’s too expensive! fyi, with that cost, i’ll get brevet (A/B) certification in my residence. bump!
i absolutely agree with Seven’ comment to ask your college friend filled out the form.

and i think you’re the boss. it means you don’t have to do all the crap jobs.

@seven: Well actually you can persuade them without actually putting them on your pay-check, if you wanted to share some of the company’s profit that is… and since the company is not yet profitable, is kinda hard to find a reliable and eager person.

@difa: Well it’s also including brevet certification. I’m thinking like, “Hey, why not just learn the stuffs inside out anyway”. There are of course a cheaper course without any certification that’ll cost around 300 thousand if I’m not mistaken.

And filling taxes is quite important. It gave the company it’s death (or life) sentence. Just see it this way. You hire someone (probably a college student) to do the tax filling and somehow he wrongly report the taxable cashflow. What’s gonna happen? The court will drag me down on accuse of tax evasion. So I’m zealously believe that tax is not something that’s light to put a thought on. You can’t just easily gave the tax filling (tax reporting that is) job to any college friend. You still have to double-check them because they are not yet a professional that can be held accountable for what they are doing.

And hiring them to do the tax filling plus having to double-checking it all on the same process is just not a feasible options. For instance, my parents paid two separate tax accountant just to make sure that they fill the tax form and report (plus audited it) correctly. Why? Because there’s only two things you can’t escape on this life. Death and Tax. Look at how many mafia’s Don on their heyday get dragged on accuse of false tax reporting. And I’m not letting that happened to me.

whoa…
even your parents hired two???
is filling a (tax) form that hard???
well…in that case i think you should finish your learning about those tax thingies…
how much you need to pay a pro on tax filling anyway?

@seven: Well, probably not that hard. But you have to be very detailed about it. You can simply state that your income is 0 and you don’t have to pay tax at all. But then, you have to be able to prove that.